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1 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sep 18, 2011 4:55:04am

The unravelling of the abyss of corruption that Egypt had become obviously did not end with disposing Mubarak.

2 BishopX  Sep 18, 2011 6:42:48am

This sound suspiciously like what the Mubarak legislature was selling during the Jan25 uprising. The protesters are not legitimate because some unnamed source was funding an directing them. The Al Ahram article is (from what I can gather) citing a report from a government fact finding commission.

Jpost is just laundering credibility by citing a reasonably prestigious Egyptian newspaper rather than the original government body.

3 Bob Levin  Sep 18, 2011 6:47:02am

re: #2 BishopX

Al Ahram is closely tied to the Egyptian government. It’s pretty much what the government wants everyone to know.

I’ll be writing about Turkey and the Kurds this week, and I’ve been doing some reading about the IRA. Sometime this week I’ll hopefully write something about nationalist movements versus terrorist organizations pretending to be nationalist movements.

4 Bob Levin  Sep 18, 2011 6:48:23am

re: #2 BishopX

Also, that’s what newspapers do, they cite other newspapers. For the original sourced stuff you mention, that’s the job of scholarly journals.

5 Charleston Chew  Sep 18, 2011 7:06:25am
…envelopes were handed out to each participant with money ranging from 5,000-11,000 pounds…

Assuming that’s Egyptian pounds, that would be about $800-1800.

6 BishopX  Sep 18, 2011 9:04:54am

re: #4 Bob Levin

Also, that’s what newspapers do, they cite other newspapers. For the original sourced stuff you mention, that’s the job of scholarly journals.

No. The origanal report came from a government fact finding body. Jpost had two options, report what the government body said, or report what another newspaper said another government body said. They chose the later because it made the story seem more credible.

This wasn’t some investigative reporting piece where Al Ahram was the only organization to put the pieces together, it was a simple restatement of an Egyptian government report.

7 BishopX  Sep 18, 2011 9:08:14am

re: #5 Charleston Chew

That’s what makes this seem so incredible to me… multiple buses, puts the number of paid attackers at 100+. At $800 a pop that’s 80,000 USD before the cost of the bus charter, or the meals. That’s quite a bit of money for this sort of thing.

A dozen paid instigators making 100 a pop would seem reasonable, but more than a hundred paid thugs and no one can find one to interview? come on.

8 Bob Levin  Sep 18, 2011 2:14:20pm

re: #6 BishopX

Okay, do you think they were paid or not?

9 BishopX  Sep 18, 2011 3:00:23pm

re: #8 Bob Levin

Okay, do you think they were paid or not?

I think the whole story stinks to high heaven. My current line of thinking is that this some NDP official still running the same Mubarak era playbook. It has all the hallmarks of a grand conspiracy type lie. There is a “single player” behind the embassy attack. The people who took part in it were well paid and treated lavishly before going out to do this unnamed agents dirty work. There was an elaborate preparation for the attack, including multiple meeting points, a briefing the day before which included distributed talking points. This sounds a lot like how the government explained the jan25 protests.

I really doubt that the vast majority of the protestors there were organized in any traditional manner, much less paid for their efforts. Israel is not well liked in many segments of Egyptian society, and the new government put up a wall to protect the embassy. Some people didn’t like that so they tore the wall down. Things escalated from there because there were no riot police to stop them. The army was guarding the embassy with some soldiers and a few tanks. There was nothing to stop the mob short of turning machine guns on them, which the army won’t do.

The fact of the matter is the government doesn’t have day to day control of the streets. They can stop sit-ins or large protests which last several days. But they don’t have the forces to stop any one mob.

10 Bob Levin  Sep 18, 2011 3:11:43pm

re: #9 BishopX

So, like any news story, you’re saying that we need to keep an eye on this to determine if it’s true. Am I correct? Is that what you are saying?

If so, that’s how to treat any news story. Eventually, though, you have to believe something from somewhere. How do you determine this?

Regarding crowds, you don’t need a vast majority to be paid. You need to pay some people to get the crowd worked up. It’s like an old medicine show. Pay the speakers, pay some to agree. I don’t know if that happened here, but it’s happened before.

If the story is shown to be wrong, then post the evidence.

The origanal report came from a government fact finding body.

Okay, what did the fact finding body say? (You’ll need to provide a link.)


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